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Nov. 25, 2005 - Your friend makes less than you think

So your good friend told you that he makes $150,000 a year, and you heard that Google pays $85,000 to fresh graduates. It's enough to make you want to find a new job and get mad at your boss for even offering a paltry $100,000 for your 10 years of hard-core experience, right... Well, right? Here's the funny thing about all these conversations, they are all basically BS. When you ask people how much they are making they lie. If they tell you without asking they lie. They lie on their credit card applications and they lie on their income taxes. Even people who are basically honest lie some of the time. To make things worse, stories grow. Let's say a friend of yours who graduated from MIT first in his class gets $80k right out of college (pretty darn good). Now you tell your other friend and so on and pretty soon a junior college grad is making $100,000 working as a tester.

More than once I've had employees come to me and tell me they have a friend at another company who is making SO much more and that the company's salary structure is screwed up and then after I look in to salaries and find that from every objective fact I can find my team is well above the norm what am I supposed to say. My favorite anecdote about this was a person who came up to me shortly after getting a raise and said, "Look I know that the other guys on the team at my level are making more than me. It talked with one of them and so I know. Your review said I did great, and I got a good percentage increase, but I think I got a lower salary when I started so I'm still lower." I won't say which country or company this happened in, but it's a true story as well as I can remember it. The rub is that he was already making more than any of the other people with the same level of experience as he had. He wouldn't have said it if he didn't believe it, so my suspicion is that somebody lied to him.

Why would people lie? Well, do you want your friends to think you are getting screwed by being paid less that you should? Since almost everyone thinks they are making less than they should most people are going to be a bit embarrassed to give the honest answer. By the way, I make slightly less than $10,000,000 per year (plus options).


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Nov. 25, 2005 - Webmasters lie too

Posted by AntOnaf
The same lie happens with webmasters. Webmasters will tell you that they make this extraordinary amount from their website(s) and they hardly make a dime or much less than what they quote. Success is usually measured by the amount of money made, and when a webmaster or employee is successful (by quoting a high dollar amount) it gives them a voice, because people tend to listen to those who are successful or who they think makes a grand amount of money.
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Nov. 28, 2005 - Sometimes the truth hurts

Posted by Anonymous
I've gone around asking people how much they made. I was pretty confident I was getting good answers. To prove the point to myself I turned to one guy at the end of my data scrounging and told him within a week he would be giving me his salary number. Okay I was cocky and it took two weeks but then he showed me his payslip so I figure I was good at the game. Didn't even really know this guy but I had prettty well convinced everyone that I would share my data but not identify anyone. My conclusion... the place pretty well had everyone in a band with a hundred dollars here or there difference. The people who came in with masters degrees started higher but were beat back into the band over the years. Management would tell these people that their performance was off to justify it. Bottom line is people often don't lie if you can give them a reason for not lying (sharing data) but the conclusions you'll get maybe are not what you want to hear. At a bunch of companies you are just a number and a salary range. Best to take the $85,000 job over the $100,000 if you will be doing more things you like. You'll be more "self motivated" (developing outside marketable skills) and companies will reward your "positive" (if this place doesn't reward me I have something to offer someone else) attitude. My salary is $92,920 by the way as a senior software engineer. Excludes options and the free soda.
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Dec. 6, 2005 - ????

Posted by Anonymous
People still see options as compensation?
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Dec. 21, 2005 - Options still are compensation

Posted by Anonymous
Yeah options are compensation. I've got options worth about $15 per share. Already collected about $5,000 this year on them. Stock is holding steady so figure on collecting as much this coming year. Not a lot of money but will pay for another desktop or laptop. Yeah I'm not working at Google that's for sure and I've had options from about four companies that never panned out.
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