On www.rense.com April 2, 2008 Harmony Grant has an article

called "John Hagee - False Prophet."

The link to the article is:

http://www.rense.com/general81/haggee.htm

Harmony Grant quotes John Hagee as saying "Some pastors teach that

Romans 9-11 refers to the church," Hagee writes, "that the church has

become a "spiritual Israel" and has replaced the Jewish people. This

is an anti-Semitic theology that refuses to believe God still has a

place in his heart for Israel and the Jewish people."

www.rense.com is not a Christian web site. The huge site has a lot of

current news and articles against the Bush regime and the New World

Order, what Remnant Christians call the beast. Rense also has stuff

on UFOs. Yet Rense put on an article critical of John Hagee and

CUFI. The Charles E. Carlson group which goes to CUFI'S Nights To

Honor Israel and stands around with signs saying something

like "stop Christian Apostasy" has been going for some time. Carlson has a web site called Pharisee Watch. Is there a stirring of a bigger

and broader opposition to John Hagee and CUFI going on now? Could CUFI react and begin having protesters arrested at Nights To Honor Israel? Could the spiritual battle between extremist

dispensationalism and an awakening Multitude begin fairly soon?

The battle between dispensationalism - and maybe other theologies

allied with dispensationalism - and the emerging Christian Multitude

will center on who is Israel, the unbelieving Jews or Christians who

have the truth. So an interpretation of Romans 11, and especially

Romans 11: 25-26, may become a vital part of this spiritual war.

Once the lines are drawn between those in the Church who are fixated

on following dispensationalism and that one third of the Church in

Zechariah 13: 8-9, Ezekiel 5: 1-5, 12 and Revelation 16: 19 who are

to come out of theologies to Christ there may not be a great deal of real debate between the factions. It may be that the Multitude will be more timid in proclaiming their new beliefs than those who firmly remain in the theologies within the churches who are determined to oppose the Multitude.

Paul writes in Romans 11; 25-26 that "...blindness in part is

happened to Israel, until the fullness of the gentiles be come in.

And so all Israel shall be saved..."

The problem is that classical dispensationalism under Darby,

Scofield, Chafer, Ryrie, Pentecost and some others has said that in

the end times after the Christian Church is raptured to Heaven, God

is going to set up an earthly kingdom of the Jews. This kingdom will

be run by Jews, and some dispensationalists say that Gentiles will be

second class citizens in it. This Jewish run end time kingdom would

be part of the dispensationalist two house theory. They use Romans

11: 25-26 in part with Zechariah 12: 10 in support of their theory of the end time Jewish kingdom on earth which is also to be a political kingdom.

On http://www.tms.edu/tmsj/tmsj7h.pdf C.I. Scofield in The Scofield Reference Bible (1909, 1917 and 1967) says "The return of the Lord to the earth is to accomplish the yet unfulfilled

prophecies of Israel's national regathering, conversion, and

establishment in peace and power under the Davidic Covenant (2 Sam. 7:16, note; cp. Acts 15:14-17 with Zech. 14:1-9)." This is in Scofield's note on Acts 1: 11.

This Jewish run kingdom envisioned by Scofield and others is not

just the spiritual conversion of the Jews in mass to Christ. Its

also a national political type kingdom on earth. Such a

dispensationalist kingdom of the Jews would fit right in with the

Jewish Zionist movement to extend the rule of national Israel beyond the borders of  the small nation of Israel.

Lewis S. Chafer says "The Covenant is of an earthly throne related to

a people whose expectation is earthly. There is no evidence that

David foresaw an

earthly throne merging into a spiritual reign; yet David was given

a perfect understanding concerning the divine purpose which the

covenant designated. Nor is this kingdom and throne established

in heaven. It is established on earth when the Son of David

returns to the earth (Matt. 25:31, 32. Cf. 19:28; Acts 15:16; Luke 1:31-33; Matt. 2:2).34

34 Lewis S. Chafer, "Dispensationalism," Bibliotheca Sacra 93

(October/December1936):435.

Charles C. Ryie says ""The church is not a part of this kingdom at

all."46

46Charles C. Ryrie, Basic Theology (Wheaton, Ill.: Victor, 1986) 398-399to Israel."

J. Dwight Pentecost in The Prophecy Knowledge Handbook says

that "It is also abundantly clear that the

church does not fulfill the promises of the kingdom on earth as given to Israel." He adds

that God will "resume His plan and purpose to fulfill the kingdom

promise to Israel in connection with the second coming of Christ."50

50John F. Walvoord, Prophecy Knowledge Handbook (Wheaton,

Ill.:Victor, 1990) 438-439.

On http://www.gospelway.com/man/israel-future.php   John F. Walvoord, a classical dispensationalist, is quoted as saying:

"Passages of the Old Testament ... anticipating a future day of glory

for Israel find their fulfillment in the millennial reign of Christ.

The regathering of Israel, a prominent theme of most of the prophets,

has its purpose realized in the re-establishment of Israel in their

ancient land. Israel as a nation is delivered from her persecutors in

the time of tribulation and brought into the place of blessing and

restoration" -John F. Walvoord, The Millennial Kingdom, 1959,

Zondervan, p. 303 (, p. 207).

"The Gentiles will be Israel's servants during that age ..." - J

Dwight Pentecost, Things to Come, 1958, Zondervan, p. 508

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According to dispensationalism, the millennium is fundamentally Jewish

in nature such that the Jews will be "exalted above the Gentiles."

[6]The Gentiles will "be on the lowest level" in Christ's rule. [7]In

addition, despite Christ's ultimate sacrifice as "the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world," dispensationalism teaches that the sacrificial system will be reinstituted! [8]"

6 John Walvoord, The Millennial Kingdom (Grand Rapids,MI: Zondervan,

1959), p. 136.

7 Herman Hoyt, "Dispensational Premillennialsim," in Robert G.

Clouse,The Meaning of the Millennium: Four Views(Downer's Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 1977), p. 81.

8 J. Dwight Pentecost, Things To Come (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan

Publishing House, 1958), p. 525

Christians who acknowledge Paul's teachings on the unity of Jewish

and Gentiles in Christ but who were once under the influence of

classical dispensationalism are conditioned to interpret Romans 11:

25-26 as a prophecy for the end time in which the Jews are converted

to Christ in mass. These Christians may believe that the Jews who

convert in mass will become one with Gentile Christians - or the

converted Jews will be a separate group and part of the two house

theory. There can be all kinds of theories and speculations about

when the living Jews will convert in mass to Christ.

James and Peter in Acts 15: 9-17 interpret Amos 9: 11 and similar Old

Testament texts, like Hosea 3: 5 and Micah 5: 2, as supporting

Peter's statement in verse 9 that God puts no difference between Jew and Gentile in Christ. Amos 9: 11, Hosea 3: 5 and a few other Old

Testament Scripures have been used by the dispensationalists to back up their end time Jewish kingdom teaching. James and Peter do not support an end time Jewish kingdom run by Jews where there are two different houses, Jews and Gentiles.

Romans 11: 25-26 can be interpreted in such a way that it gives

credibility to Christian Zionism, i.e. John Hagee and Christians

United For Israel. We do not want to interpret this text to support Christian Zionism, which is becoming a vessel of dishonor to help set up the end time scenario.

This text can also be viewed by those in Messianic Judaism as

supporting their theology, a mix and compromise between Talmudic

Judaism, Old Testament ceremonial law and Christianity, which is

deadly to Christian doctrine. Many of the Messianic Judaism groups make use of the two house theory also. One house is Messianic Judaism

and the other house is made up of Gentile Christians.

At http://www.angelfire.com/ms/seanie/disp/disp11.html they

say "This verse Romans 11: 25-26) says nothing about a restored

theocratic millennial state. What it means is that the Jews will be

brought into the Church, having been aroused to jealousy at the

inheritance of the covenant promises by the Gentiles. It may indeed be

argued that God is not finished with ethnic Israel, from the point of view of converting them to Christ in the present age, but it is

absolutely wrong to suggest that there is a future Jewish millennium waiting to take place...

"It is clear that God still plans to bring ethnic Jews into the Church

(in this present age, that is). But it is very wrong to think He

intends establishing a Jewish millennium to effect this. This is a

critical distinction which dispensationalism misses."

There is no indication in Romans 11 that Paul is writing about a

Jewish millennial kingdom in the future, perhaps during the

Tribulation or Millennium. If he is talking about Jews converting to

Christ in larger numbers, they would, to be consistent with Paul's

other teachings in Romans 11, become fully Christian and not half Jew and half

Christian like the present day followers of Messianic Judaism. They would not become a separate house of God. If Jews in larger numbers do

become Christians in the end times and they are fully in Christ and

in his doctrines as the Jewish apostles were, then Paul is shifting

his use of "Israel" from physical and national Israel to his "Israel

of God" in Galatians 6: 16. All Israel will be saved because all,

Jews and Gentiles, who are fully in Christ and in his doctrines are

Israel and will be saved.

In Romans 11: 5 Paul says "Even so at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace." He is talking about a small remnant among the Jews who became Christians. The question is whether Paul is then saying in verses 25 and 26 that a larger percentage of Jews will suddenly convert to Christianity? The issue

is clearly not one of whether God is to set up a millennial kingdom

run by Jews.